Possible negotiations on Ukraine: US / Russia
Pepe Escobar posted the article below on his telegram channel. He says: “This is very serious. The people I talked to – details later – trust Ushakov and Naryshkin, two heavyweights who can eat the Americans for breakfast.”
Before we get to the article, let’s listen to a clip from Kellog:
Trump envoy will try to ‘FORCE’ Putin to break alliances with North Korea, China, Iran as part of Ukraine ceasefire deal
‘The question from the journalist is: What concessions will Putin have to make?’
‘Force him into actions he won’t want to do…break his alliance with North Korea, Iran, China’ — Trump Envoy Kellogg
❗️ US will try to break Russia's alliances with DPRK, Iran, and China — Keith Kellogg pic.twitter.com/grD8hqRFg6
— Sputnik (@SputnikInt) February 15, 2025
These people are idiots. One uses strong talk before negotiations frequently to psych out the opponent. But in these negotiations, where they will attempt to create peace in circumstances that are incredibly challenging and complex, touch the security complex as a whole in Europe, and possibly break up the Ukraine? Where there already is a history of perfidy (Minsk and others). On this level negotiation games for dummies from negotiations 101 show up who the dummies are in the room. It is those without a card to play for sure and they are substituting dummy games for cards. These kinds of pre-negotiation games show up who the kids are in the room and who the adults are. Dummy games are for those that think they can dictate terms but in reality, they cannot. And this specifically is of importance if it is your side doing the phone calling. “US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has called Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov”, RIA Novosti has reported, citing the Russian ministry. If these people want to be happy about a post-Kiev reality, they must be serious.
Now to the article:
Putin and Trump may meet in Saudi Arabia at the end of February, Bloomberg reports, citing sources.
The publication states that senior officials from the US and Russia will meet next week in Saudi Arabia to lay the groundwork for a potential summit between the leaders at the end of the month to discuss ending the war in Ukraine, according to sources familiar with the situation.
The details of the meeting and the list of participants are still being discussed, but according to informed sources, the groups are expected to be led by national security advisers.
Most Europeans have not yet been informed about the meeting, said another official source who requested anonymity. Ukrainian representatives are also expected to participate, but they are not fully aware of the preparations.
US President Donald Trump hinted on Thursday at an upcoming summit with Vladimir Putin in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and said that Ukrainians would be involved. They also exchanged invitations during a 90-minute phone call—the first contact between the leaders since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
The White House National Security Council did not respond to a request for comment, nor did a Kremlin representative.
Saudi authorities have invited representatives from the US, Russia, and Ukraine to a gathering in Riyadh. People familiar with the situation, who wished to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the meeting, reported this. Saudi National Security Adviser Musaed Al-Aiban will lead the talks, with one source adding that plans could be disrupted due to last-minute changes.
Al-Aiban is an experienced specialist and close to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. He has represented him in negotiations with Iran and Washington on defense cooperation and the normalization of relations with Israel.
Negotiating Teams
National Security Adviser Michael Waltz and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff are expected to lead the US negotiations in Saudi Arabia. This raises questions about the role of Special Representative Keith Kellogg.
Putin is assembling a team of heavyweights with decades of experience in high-level strategic negotiations. Among them is Yuri Ushakov, the Kremlin’s chief foreign policy adviser with 50 years of diplomatic experience, and his top intelligence officer Sergei Naryshkin, who served with Putin in the Soviet KGB. Kirill Dmitriev, a financier with a Stanford and Harvard education and ties to the Russian president’s family, may play a key role as an unofficial intermediary in Trump’s negotiations.
The level of contact has significantly increased over the past week, especially after US Vice President J.D. Vance’s sharp speech at the Munich Security Conference, which shocked European participants with his critical analysis of their “fundamental values” and vulnerable democracies.
The publication notes that Saudi Arabia maintains close relations with the US, Russia, and Ukraine and is considered a neutral venue for potential peace talks.
Colour me contrarian, but I cannot help but become suspicious when Alex Krainer in his recent interview on CapitalCosm, can talk for an hour on the reset of the entire global polarity architecture, without even a single mention of the massive BRICS juggernaut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6V0trfmTzM He makes zero mention of the… Read more »
On the nail Col. Fairy Stories. These negotiations upcoming has different objectives to the tune that I cannot see any happy ending. Russia wants security and indivisiby so, the baby negotiators in the room want the war to end. Russia does not care — they can end or continue the… Read more »
Col, before you give up on Krainer, I think you would enjoy part of his latest discussion with Ania K, where she asks him to explain money and central banks, and such. Give it the first ten minutes or so, to the point where he’s saying that humanity’s enduring problem… Read more »
And I want to add another suggestion, from a link by emersonreturn in the Salon to a related post by Krainer on his Substack. This deals directly with the banking cartel and the historic and perhaps renewing relationship between USA and Russia: https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/why-us-russia-relations-matter-more You may find this a quicker way… Read more »
All good Grieved, I am fairly sure I have already seen that interview with Ania, but I will revisit it. Going on memory there was some very good material in there and Ania is a very informed interviewer – however, regarding the glaring BRICS omission, we will just have to… Read more »
dear col, i search the comments for yours & it’s always a day maker to connect with you. unfortunately we rarely seem to. about alex…we all have people that speak to us or not. i have problems with scott ritter, fortunately there are lots of other voices & opinions. all… Read more »
Same to you Emerson I always look forward to your Canuck commentary and the eclectic camaraderie of the GS community. ‘Col the Contrarian’ gets himself into a spot of bother at times, because he simply doesn’t do self-censorship – it’s either nothing at all or the whole nine yards. Warm… Read more »
My theory Col for what its worth: Alex is really good with the money and general history details in geopolitics but his perspective and I assume his subscribers are mostly conservative Americans or other westerners supportive of Trump so I think its as simple as playing to the audience. And… Read more »
You are probably right, K – I notice how Krainer literally burst onto the global scene from relative obscurity to become one of the most read analysts on the planet. As you say – what is it that drives him? As far as I can ascertain, it appears to be… Read more »
China has suggested that any meeting between Putin and Trump be held in … China.
Alex Krainer has been very explicit about Kellog. He was the usual Trumpian low-class blusterer, but behind that smokescreen a real conversation was arranged, using Witkoff and NOT Kellog. Instead, Kellog was sent to Europe to beat up some of those countries, which I imagine he did passably well –… Read more »
absolutely agree, grieved. & thank you for linking his substack: is a Russia-US Grand Bargain in the Works.
cronetoo, i sincerely hope russia takes this offer. while mbs may, with the full assistance of russia, ensure saudia arabia is secure, it’s nowhere near as tight as the heavenly kingdom.
what has washington to offer that russia will not get on the battlefield?
greetings, noname, thank you for a stun gun question. i apologize for my delayed response, i’m not accustomed to replies so i didn’t check back. agreed, russia could & will, if empire drags on, continue to attrit, emptying empire’s pantry & filling 404’s fields with bloodied body parts…but russia is… Read more »