Nikolai Patrushev: Interview – the West and Ukraine
The Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev had this interview with Argumenti i Facti at aif.ru. This is a lightly cleaned-up machine translation.
“They want to turn Russia into Muscovy.” Nikolai Patrushev-about the West and Ukraine
.What actions of the West are being prepared for in Moscow and what policy can be opposed to this?
Vitaly Tseplyaev, aif.ru Question: Nikolay Platonovich, how do you assess the current situation in the world at the beginning of this year?
Nikolai Patrushev: The situation in the world is extremely complex and has a turbulent character. Many countries in different regions are simultaneously in a military-political, economic, social and spiritual crisis. Let’s hope that this year there will be positive changes.
— You once said that the leadership of Western countries does nothing to improve the situation not only in the world, but even in their own countries. Please explain what you are talking about.
– Western politicians do not have the strength and opportunities to change life in their countries for the better, because they are no longer independent figures. Everyone has connections to big business, lobbyists, and foundations. They don’t even hide these facts. There are very recent examples. As it turned out, dozens of MEPs were controlled by the structures of J. R. R. Tolkien. Soros, and the European Commission, at the behest of one of the world’s largest American pharmaceutical companies, created a number of corruption schemes for the purchase of vaccines worth tens of billions of euros. It is obvious that the real power in the West is in the hands of resource-rich clans and multinational corporations.
— You don’t mean the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, do you?”
— In fact, there are many more such corporations and clans. Thus, the total revenue of the 500 largest companies in the world, according to unofficial data, reached almost $ 38 trillion in 2021. The main share of multinational companies is accounted for by corporations with headquarters in the United States. Their revenues brought in about $ 16 trillion with a net profit of $ 1.8 trillion.
The capital of a number of multinational companies exceeds the GDP of most of the world’s economies, and the funds created by them for further enrichment claim to be a supranational mechanism for managing humanity. The same Soros Foundation has become almost the main world center for planning and implementing “color revolutions”.
The draft US budget for 2023 is the best proof of Washington’s plans to unleash new wars to the detriment of the well-being of its own citizens.
Two actors in one play
— Are you saying that even the US authorities are not pursuing an independent policy?
— In fact, the American state is just a shell for a conglomerate of huge corporations that rule the country and try to rule the world. For TNCs, even US presidents are just extras who can shut their mouths like Trump. All four murders of American leaders are linked to a corporate trail. It is no coincidence that an increasing number of Americans say that Republicans and Democrats are just two actors in one play that has nothing to do with democracy.
The US government, which has grown together with big business, serves the interests of multinational corporations, including the military-industrial complex. The assertive foreign policy of the White House, the unbridled aggressiveness of NATO, the emergence of the AUKUS military bloc and others are also a consequence of corporate influence. The draft US budget for 2023 is the best proof of Washington’s plans to unleash new wars to the detriment of the well-being of its own citizens. Of the total amount of planned federal government spending of $ 1.7 trillion on defense, half will be allocated-more than $ 850 billion. Only for the continuation of hostilities in Ukraine and prolonging the conflict, it is planned to allocate 45 billion rubles.
This is despite the fact that the United States itself and its minions are irrevocably sliding into debt. Americans have a national debt of more than thirty-one trillion dollars. The debt of England — 2.4 trillion pounds sterling — was the highest since the Second World War and exceeded 101% of gross domestic product. The world record for the ratio of debt to GDP — more than 2.6 times — was set by Japan with a national debt of almost ten trillion dollars. Only countries that consider themselves masters of the world are not going to repay these debts.
Earlier, the West came to prosperity and achieved world domination through colonial conquest. This is exactly how multinational companies behave today, preferring to increase their capital by siphoning resources from other countries. At the same time, they use their own system of fooling the masses for all sorts of imposing on the population of the planet the idea of certain rules that they themselves have come up with and that do not comply with international law.
There is no place for our country in the West. Russia annoys a handful of world rulers because it has rich resources, a huge territory, and smart and self-sufficient people.
— In other words, do you really believe that when operating in various countries of the world, TNCs seriously influence local political and socio-economic processes?
“That’s right. On the one hand, they introduce new technologies and increase labor productivity through foreign direct investment. Only the population cannot take advantage of these results, as companies permanently displace the local producer, becoming monopolists. By taking the bulk of their profits abroad, they deprive countries of the opportunity to increase their national wealth.
National legal regulation is not sufficient to solve this problem. The current international legal regulation of the economic activity of TNCs is formed in the interests of the corporations themselves and with their direct participation. Its change in favor of the national interests of countries is being torpedoed.
In the face of dramatic changes in the world, the goal of corporations is to preserve the system of global exploitation. It is headed by an elite of businessmen who do not associate themselves with any state. Under it — the so-called developed countries of the world, as well as the”golden billion”. And then — the rest of humanity, contemptuously called the “third world”.
— According to this logic, it seems that Russia does not have the most enviable place in this hierarchy.
— There is no place for our country in the West. A handful of world rulers are annoyed by Russia because it has rich resources, a huge territory, smart and self-sufficient people who love their country, its traditions and history.
Multinational corporations are unnerved by Russia’s ideological and ideological divergence from countries under the control of Western capital. Corporations are aimed at enriching and developing the consumer society. Russia defends a reasonable balance of spiritual and moral values and socio-economic development.
In this regard, Westerners seek to weaken our country, dismember it, and destroy the Russian language and the Russian world. They have long worked out the technology of undermining their rivals from within and splitting them into small states. This was also the case earlier, when, for example, London destroyed empires following the First World War and stamped dozens of countries out of them. This is still the case today. A striking example is Yugoslavia. The State, which had an independent voice in the international arena, is divided into six parts.
What do the events in Ukraine mean?
— At the end of December, the 100th anniversary of the founding of the USSR was celebrated. In your opinion, how did the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 affect the policy of the United States and its allies?
“He inspired them. 15 new subjects of international law have emerged in the former Soviet Union. Of course, none of them can compare in terms of their influence with the USSR, with the exception of the Russian Federation, which, having preserved its centuries-long international authority, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and plays a crucial role in the world, defending national interests. Therefore, the Westerners ‘ plans remain to continue to pull Russia apart, and in the end simply erase it from the political map of the world. Today, they are still shouting loudly that Russia should not remain united, it should be driven into the framework of Muscovy of the XV century. To do this, they do not disdain anything, including inventing a completely false history of our country, shifting their responsibility for the oppression of other peoples to it, which Russia has never done.
The whole story with Ukraine was started in Washington in order to work out the technologies of dividing and pitting a single people. Millions of people are forbidden to speak their native Russian language from birth, forced to forget their origins. The West, for the sake of its ambitions, practically destroys the Ukrainian people, forcing the active generation to die on the battlefield and driving the rest of the population to poverty.
We are not at war with Ukraine, because by definition we cannot have hatred for ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainian traditions are close to the people of Russia, just as the heritage of the Russian people is inseparable from the culture of Ukrainians.
The events in Ukraine are not a clash between Moscow and Kiev, but a military confrontation between NATO, and above all the United States and Britain, with Russia. Fearing direct contact, NATO instructors drive Ukrainian guys to their deaths. With the help of a special military operation, Russia is liberating its regions from occupation and must put an end to the bloody experiment of the West to destroy the fraternal Ukrainian people.
— But in the world, on the contrary, Russia is accused of seizing the territory of Ukraine, attacks on its infrastructure…
— We are not at war with Ukraine, because by definition we cannot have hatred for ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainian traditions are close to the people of Russia, just as the heritage of the Russian people is inseparable from the culture of Ukrainians. Please note that in Crimea, the Ukrainian language is preserved as one of the state languages. Ukrainian cultural centers and ensembles of Ukrainian song and dance continue to operate in many cities. In the south of the Far East, given the large share of immigrants since the time of Stolypin, a significant number of residents consider the culture of the Ukrainian people native.
And the sooner the citizens of Ukraine realize that the West is fighting Russia with their hands, the more lives will be saved. Many people have long realized this, but they are afraid to declare it for fear of reprisals. The West does not plan to save anyone’s life at the expense of its own enrichment and other ambitions. At the same time, Americans, British and other Europeans often create the illusion that they are protecting civilization from barbarism.
— Are you referring to the events in Afghanistan, where the United States declared a fight against terrorism, and then rather ignominiously left?
— Not only in Afghanistan, but also in other regions. They themselves created and fought terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaeda, the Taliban or ISIL to achieve their goals. Arranging a demonstration of the elimination of terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden, hundreds of new ones were trained and armed.
Neo-Nazi criminals who have been rampaging in Ukraine in recent years will inevitably be punished.
The US presence in Afghanistan has resulted not in the fight against terrorism, but in the creation of multimillion-dollar corruption schemes and a multiple increase in drug production. The sudden withdrawal of the Americans from this country, as it turned out, was largely due to focusing on Ukraine, where, according to their estimates, the preparation of the Kiev puppet regime for offensive anti-Russian actions was going well. By the way, this was confirmed by US Secretary of State Blinken, who said that if the US military had not left Afghanistan, Washington would not have been able to allocate so much money to Ukraine. In addition, some of the equipment exported from Afghan soil was transferred to Europe, mainly to Poland, allowing the Europeans to militarize the Kiev regime.
— On February 24 last year, Russia called the “demilitarization” and “denazification” of Ukraine its goals. Are you still confident that these goals will be achieved?
“Neo-Nazi criminals who have been rampaging in Ukraine in recent years will inevitably be punished. However, it is possible that the most odious ones will try to save their curators in order to use them in other countries, including for organizing coups d’etat and performing sabotage tasks.
This scheme was developed during the defeat of Nazi Germany. After 1945, the Americans, the British and the West German authorities under their control reported on the denazification of their zone of occupation of Germany, while the Nazis who were saved from punishment were used to create the armed forces of Germany, as well as an agent network of American and British intelligence, including for secret operations against the countries of the socialist camp.
The CIA, which until 1948 was called the Office of Strategic Services of the United States, actively used former employees of the Abwehr and the Imperial security office of Hitler’s Reich to create new German special services.
In the post-war years, the Americans actively involved Nazi criminals in the development of new types of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery. The same applies to the use of American and Japanese war criminals who developed and used chemical and bacteriological weapons.
Russia needs financial independence, as well as technological sovereignty. We have plenty of our own Lomonosovs and Kulibins. The problem is to notice them in time.
“The potential of humanity is far from exhausted”
— Let’s return to the topic of the influence of multinational corporations on the politics of different countries. You claim that it is practically limitless. And what methods do you think TNCs have in their arsenal?
— These methods are the most cynical. Some of them are experiments with dangerous pathogens and viruses in military biological laboratories under the supervision of the Pentagon. They are unceremoniously engaged in the moral and moral decomposition of society. The West has mastered the zombification of people through mass propaganda, and now seeks to use cognitive weapons, influencing each person point-by-point with the help of information technologies and methods of neuropsychology. It inculcates neoliberal and other values, some of which are inherently directly opposed to human nature. They act consciously and do not hide in their circle that the LGBT agenda is a tool for gradually reducing the number of” extra people “who do not fit into the framework of the notorious”golden billion”. Just yesterday, they advertised GMOs without caring about the health consequences of such products, and today they are calling on women not to have children in order to fight climate change. Overseas science suggests evaluating people by the amount of carbon they leave behind. They measure and count humanity in the same way that Nazi scientists once measured skulls in search of criteria for separating “higher” and “lower races”.
— You paint a rather gloomy picture. Like the end of humanity is just around the corner…
– The potential of humanity is far from exhausted. There are structures that are designed to influence this situation in a positive way. This is the UN and the UN Security Council. Such associations as the SCO, BRICS, ASEAN and others are becoming increasingly popular. However, the West is not interested in the effectiveness of their work. The Anglo-Saxons are obsessively trying to push the world community to think that these institutions have outlived their time, and we must live by the rules they invented. Those who disagree with their hegemony are labeled as “rogue states”,” terrorist countries ” or states that pose a threat to national security. At the same time, Western countries do not notice that they are gradually becoming a minority themselves, as they are already tired of the strategy of power and threats in the world.
Strength in people
— How is the Russian leadership going to build its strategy taking into account the above-mentioned problems?
— Our country is on the path of creating a strong, modern, independent economy in order to achieve economic sovereignty. Russia has all the resources to do this. We need a culture of their use, careful and economic attitude to our treasures — not only natural, but also intangible. Russian business should be nationally oriented. Private capital, as well as the authorities, should think about the long-term development of the country.
Russia needs financial independence, as well as technological sovereignty. We have plenty of our own Lomonosovs and Kulibins. The problem is to notice them in time. It is necessary not just to develop science and education, but to revive the real cult of the scientist, engineer, and worker. The younger generation should be inspired by the ideas of creative work for the benefit of our Motherland, and not sit in the offices of Western corporations.
The enduring strength of Russia lies in our hardworking people, whose advantage lies, among other things, in their different views on life, in their multiethnic and multi-confessional nature. It is important to understand that we have a unique and distinctive culture, that Russia is not Europe, not Asia, and certainly not “anti-Western”. This, by the way, is our fundamental difference. For a Russian person, hatred, by definition, cannot be a unifying principle. Only Westerners who openly call us opponents are full of hatred. But they need to be reminded of their unsuccessful military operations in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and other countries… In the face of new military threats, it is important for us to have such armed forces and special services that the opponents of Russia do not even think that they can fight with us.
2nd try lucky (fingersXed). this interview is historical & your site, amarynth, is going to be a trove for future historians or lost souls attempting to piece what happened, before/during & after ww111. thank you.
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In taking in Dr. Vandana Shiva and Patrushev at same time, their comprehensive positions are complementary. They finger the same criminals, with origins in the same Fascism of the interwar 1920-30s. I will post here as it’s the later Post, but really appreciated both. Very useful interview by Dr. Shiva. She eloquently… Read more »
In taking in Dr. Vandana Shiva and Patrushev at same time, their comprehensive positions are complementary. They finger the same criminals, with origins in the same Fascism of the interwar 1920-30s. I will post here as it’s the later Post, but really appreciated both. Dr. Shiva gave a very useful interview. She… Read more »
Thank you very much for making & posting these English translations. <3
Nikolai Patrushev is very incisive in his evaluation. It does seem Russia knows everything and is very clear about how the game is being played. They are only trying to manage the consequences so that Russia can emerge stronger by this trial of fire. Merkel and others, with all their… Read more »
AHH made a good link between the two interviews, Patrushev and Dr. Shiva. I feel some sort of denouement is in the making, in a good sense, on a global scale. Tucker’s JFK exposé, and Elon’s purchase, could never happen without major backing from some players in the shadows, on… Read more »